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Hab ich gesehen. Sag, gab es da wirklich ein Schaltgetriebe? Nach dem Innenraumfoto könnte es aber nur am Lenkrad sein. Oder ist das einfach falsch angegeben?marvin hat geschrieben:...der oberste ist auch ein 62er....vielleicht erst 1963 erstmalig zugelassen.
63er sehen so aus:
Für alle die mich nicht kennen, ich hab das hier einmal gegründet, als ihr noch Golf gefahren seid! 
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Hab heute den silbernen in Wien besichtigt - lange-her-ex-Marvin, oder?
Leider hat es geregnet und deshalb und wegen des Allgemeinzustandes haben wir unseren "Besuch" recht kurz gehalten.
Ich bin ja wahrlich kein Experte was diese BJ betrifft, aber aus dem Bauch heraus meine ich, dass dieses Teil nur mehr als Teilespender dienen kann. Ich glaube, dass eine Resto den möglichen Marktwert weit übersteigen würde.
Wahrscheinlich bringt der Wagen in Teilen auch wesentlich mehr, als als Ganzes. Interessant finde ich, dass dieser Wagen den angeblich so seltenen Kofferraumdeckel mit der Pseudoradabdeckung hat.
Hier die Pics ...







Leider hat es geregnet und deshalb und wegen des Allgemeinzustandes haben wir unseren "Besuch" recht kurz gehalten.
Ich bin ja wahrlich kein Experte was diese BJ betrifft, aber aus dem Bauch heraus meine ich, dass dieses Teil nur mehr als Teilespender dienen kann. Ich glaube, dass eine Resto den möglichen Marktwert weit übersteigen würde.
Wahrscheinlich bringt der Wagen in Teilen auch wesentlich mehr, als als Ganzes. Interessant finde ich, dass dieser Wagen den angeblich so seltenen Kofferraumdeckel mit der Pseudoradabdeckung hat.
Hier die Pics ...







Für alle die mich nicht kennen, ich hab das hier einmal gegründet, als ihr noch Golf gefahren seid! 
- Pippilotta
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also der Deckel ist meines Wissens nach Standard - evtl. das der Dodge Lancer keine Reserveradatrappe hatte, aber bei den Valiants war die ich bisher gesehen hab war das Ding immer dran.
btw. das ist echt nicht mehr als ein Teilespender - Schade um den Wagen, aber das rentiert sich echt nicht mehr für nen Aufbau
btw. das ist echt nicht mehr als ein Teilespender - Schade um den Wagen, aber das rentiert sich echt nicht mehr für nen Aufbau
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...naja besser issser in den letzten zehn Jahren nicht geworden; steht ja auch im Freien.
Aber wenn's ein Charger wär', wäre die Resto kein Thema...oder?
Das Pseudoreserverad war bei den 60-61er Valiants Standard, der 62er hatte ein Emblem stattdessen...

Aber wenn's ein Charger wär', wäre die Resto kein Thema...oder?
Das Pseudoreserverad war bei den 60-61er Valiants Standard, der 62er hatte ein Emblem stattdessen...

Zuletzt geändert von marvin am Donnerstag 6. September 2007, 09:27, insgesamt 1-mal geändert.
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btw:
Dreigangschaltgetriebe (Shifter an der Lenksäule) gab es bei der ersten Valiant Generation.....gar nicht selten...
...und die hatten auch eine Race-History:
There was a lot of interest in the three new compacts in 1960. So much so that Bill France, the major-domo of NASCAR, scheduled races for them as part of "Speed Weeks" at his Daytona Super Speedway which culminated in the crown jewel of NASCAR, the Daytona 500. The first race was on the 3.8 mile road racing course, followed an hour later by a 20 lap sprint on the high speed oval.
CBS TV carried the road race live on national TV, sponsored in Detroit by Dick Shalla Chevrolet. Eight Valiants were entered, lead by driver Marvin Panch in a car sponsored by a Daytona Beach Chrysler-Plymouth dealer named W. Brewster Shaw. Entries included a number of Corvairs and Falcons as well as a few foreign imports.
Qualifying ended up with Panch in pole position with the other Valiants filling the front of the starting grid. After a couple of laps, it became clear that no other cars had much of a chance. The race was pretty much a procession of Valiants which Mr. Panch led from start to finish. In fact the first seven places were taken by Valiants, while a Volvo driven by female journalist/race driver Denise McCluggage came home in 8th. It was too bad CBS didn't cover the high speed oval race which was far more exciting.
During the hour between races Panch's mechanic, Red Vogt, switched his car to a lower numerical axle ratio which gave him an edge in top speed on the oval. However, the crew was still completing the pit work when the flag fell. Marvin found himself in last place, one lap behind the field. There was much jousting for the lead among the Valiants with no others in contention. However, this was one of those days race drivers dream about, where everything they touch turns to gold. Richard Petty had one of them four years later on the same race course.
The four leading Valiants removed themselves from the race in a monster of a crash. The resulting yellow flag gave Panch the opportunity to rejoin the field, which he passed without too much exertion once the green flag dropped. He was timed at better than 128 mph on the oval. He later was clocked on the beach, historic scene of many land speed records, at 117.187 mph for the two-way flying mile.
First place Valiant driver Marvin Panch's average speed was 122.282 mph.
The car which dominated at Daytona was not your everyday Valiant. The heart of its engine was a package called the "Hyper Pack". This was a dealer-installed option which sold for a bit over $400, not exactly pocket change in 1960. It consisted of an aluminum intake manifold with long branches made possible by the "slant" in the Slant Six. The carburetor was a Carter AFB 4-bbl with the mechanical throttle linkage operating the secondary throttles. For racing there was a whole raft of stuff, most of it available through your friendly Mopar dealer. The Marvin Panch car had 10.5:1 compression ratio pistons, a wild camshaft, inner and outer valve springs with surge dampers, an engine oil cooler, heavy-duty clutch, brakes, and shock absorbers. Larger diameter torsion bars and an extra leaf in each rear spring completed the suspension modifications.
The exhaust system on the winning car was also something special. Fabricated of stainless steel tubing, the front three and the rear three cylinders were connected after about two feet of separate pipes to two collectors, each two feet long. These came together into a single 21/2" diameter exhaust pipe which ended ahead of the left rear wheel. I was not part of engine performance at that time so I don't have any old insider data but I can assure you of one thing; the advertised bhp of 148 was hugely understated.
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Dreigangschaltgetriebe (Shifter an der Lenksäule) gab es bei der ersten Valiant Generation.....gar nicht selten...
...und die hatten auch eine Race-History:
There was a lot of interest in the three new compacts in 1960. So much so that Bill France, the major-domo of NASCAR, scheduled races for them as part of "Speed Weeks" at his Daytona Super Speedway which culminated in the crown jewel of NASCAR, the Daytona 500. The first race was on the 3.8 mile road racing course, followed an hour later by a 20 lap sprint on the high speed oval.
CBS TV carried the road race live on national TV, sponsored in Detroit by Dick Shalla Chevrolet. Eight Valiants were entered, lead by driver Marvin Panch in a car sponsored by a Daytona Beach Chrysler-Plymouth dealer named W. Brewster Shaw. Entries included a number of Corvairs and Falcons as well as a few foreign imports.
Qualifying ended up with Panch in pole position with the other Valiants filling the front of the starting grid. After a couple of laps, it became clear that no other cars had much of a chance. The race was pretty much a procession of Valiants which Mr. Panch led from start to finish. In fact the first seven places were taken by Valiants, while a Volvo driven by female journalist/race driver Denise McCluggage came home in 8th. It was too bad CBS didn't cover the high speed oval race which was far more exciting.
During the hour between races Panch's mechanic, Red Vogt, switched his car to a lower numerical axle ratio which gave him an edge in top speed on the oval. However, the crew was still completing the pit work when the flag fell. Marvin found himself in last place, one lap behind the field. There was much jousting for the lead among the Valiants with no others in contention. However, this was one of those days race drivers dream about, where everything they touch turns to gold. Richard Petty had one of them four years later on the same race course.
The four leading Valiants removed themselves from the race in a monster of a crash. The resulting yellow flag gave Panch the opportunity to rejoin the field, which he passed without too much exertion once the green flag dropped. He was timed at better than 128 mph on the oval. He later was clocked on the beach, historic scene of many land speed records, at 117.187 mph for the two-way flying mile.
First place Valiant driver Marvin Panch's average speed was 122.282 mph.
The car which dominated at Daytona was not your everyday Valiant. The heart of its engine was a package called the "Hyper Pack". This was a dealer-installed option which sold for a bit over $400, not exactly pocket change in 1960. It consisted of an aluminum intake manifold with long branches made possible by the "slant" in the Slant Six. The carburetor was a Carter AFB 4-bbl with the mechanical throttle linkage operating the secondary throttles. For racing there was a whole raft of stuff, most of it available through your friendly Mopar dealer. The Marvin Panch car had 10.5:1 compression ratio pistons, a wild camshaft, inner and outer valve springs with surge dampers, an engine oil cooler, heavy-duty clutch, brakes, and shock absorbers. Larger diameter torsion bars and an extra leaf in each rear spring completed the suspension modifications.
The exhaust system on the winning car was also something special. Fabricated of stainless steel tubing, the front three and the rear three cylinders were connected after about two feet of separate pipes to two collectors, each two feet long. These came together into a single 21/2" diameter exhaust pipe which ended ahead of the left rear wheel. I was not part of engine performance at that time so I don't have any old insider data but I can assure you of one thing; the advertised bhp of 148 was hugely understated.
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THX for the Info!
Übrigens, hab noch mal nachgelesen, das seltene Teil war irgendwie ein spezielles Reserverad unterm Deckel - "Fake spare tire cover covers super-rare fake spare tire" - Steven Juliano soll angeblich das einzige übriggebliebene besitzen.
Übrigens, hab noch mal nachgelesen, das seltene Teil war irgendwie ein spezielles Reserverad unterm Deckel - "Fake spare tire cover covers super-rare fake spare tire" - Steven Juliano soll angeblich das einzige übriggebliebene besitzen.
Für alle die mich nicht kennen, ich hab das hier einmal gegründet, als ihr noch Golf gefahren seid! 






